DISCOURSES & TALKS BY MEHER BABA

2 TYPES OF REALIZED HUMAN BEINGS

14 April, 1924

In the afternoon all the guests who had come for Ram's birthday departed from Meherabad for their respective homes. Baba spent the evening singing bhajans with Adi and afterward discussed the two types of muktas — liberated or Realized human beings:

There are two kinds of mukti [liberation]. One is called Videh Mukti and the other Janma Mukti. King Janak [father of Sita, Ram's wife] was a Videh Mukta, which means that he was not in the least affected by any outward situation. He also had no feeling [sensations] regarding his body; Janak placed one foot in burning fire and the other in icy cold water and did not feel either.

Sai Baba was also a Videh Mukta. It is said that Sai would often use his bare hand as a ladle while serving a boiling dish of food.

The deepest meaning of Janma Mukta is to remain emancipated from birth, like Ram, Krishna or Christ. The Videh Mukta has one disadvantage — he cannot take upon himself the suffering of another. Suppose you have a severe headache. To relieve you of it, a Sadguru must suffer the same amount of agony — he must have a similar headache. But when the Videh Mukta has no outward feelings, how can he free anyone from a headache? How can he free anyone from anything when he does not feel pain? How can he suffer for another being when he is unconscious of physical suffering?

Adi then asked how such a being could be called a Perfect Master when he is not able to suffer for others. Baba replied, "He can take upon himself the suffering of others but in small portions."

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